Arsenal of Late seem to dominate the summer headlines in 2011 we had the Fabregas & Nasri affair, in 2012 we had Persiegate, this summer we have the never ending tale of Luis Suarez. Nice for a change we’re not the one dealing with the player agitating for a move though Gooners isn’t it?
The latest story run by Sky Sports as of today is:
“Liverpool striker Luis Suarez has 'no plans' to apologise as transfer saga continues”
After the aggravation of last year with “He Who Must Not Be Named“ ( I nearly crashed my car when I heard the transfer announced on the radio on the way home from work) I find it hard not to feel for Liverpool as they are in a far worse position than we were before we had our battle against the many headed adversary of any club “Player Power”.
As much as many would like to see these players rot in the reserves, Wenger made the right decision disgruntled players are an unnecessary distraction, we got 25million depending on where you read and we seemed to regained this team spirit and collective responsibility that we lost somewhere along the way.
Liverpool now face this with Suarez who refuses to apologise for his attempts to engineer a move to the Emirates. Suarez ostracized in training since his now infamous interviews with the Guardian and The Telegraph and will not be brought back into the fold till he apologises to his team mates and fans according to Brendan Rodgers.
Rodgers while trying to remain firm, to me just reeks of desperation to keep the start striker, which at this point has no chance of going back to the rosy “incident free” relationship that once was, even Cavani who recently made his £55m move to Paris St Germain is adding pressure calling for the club to just leave him go.
From Liverpool’s point view they should just get the best price they can as quick as they can and invest as wisely as they have under Rodgers regime and attempt to make some progress back to European football this season.
As an Arsenal fan I feel we have been burned to many times by Player Power to readily stick my hand back in the flames for a man who is already in the process of forcing his second move, a year after signing a new contract especially so soon after Nasri, Van Persie & (to an extent) Fabregas. Especially for a player with such a colourful past who is to cost in excess of £40m.
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to true season could do with an extra two weeks added to spread out the games a bit more aswell can get a bit mad with cup runs in patches
Lol this is true..seasons only a few days away though.. I hate the transfer window I really think they need to shut it before the first game of the season
yeah but 80% of all football fans on the internet are the same people making the yo mamma jokes on youtube & basing opinions on fifa ratings so i'm not worried about them. i want talent & enthusiasm at my club not a prized show pig
Most arsenal fans won't be happy without a 'name' though that's the problem. Suarez won't be going to arsenal I still want him gone though even if he apologises..hopefull y abroad though
must say cringe worthy timing id rather michu actually he has the best goals to shots ratio in the premier league
Even if he leaves I guarantee he won't be joining arsenal! Put in a bid for michu 30 mill plus a pound i hear he's available! Mug
Redburns must be feeling like a proper *** right about now, classic hoax to get all Liverfool fans hopes up...what a MUG you really are. Probably an Arsenal fan who started it, get your tissues out son and start crying...hes still LEAVING!
By the way this person is feeling very silly right now
And when I said closer than you to winning it more recently than you I'm referring to 09 when we were second and four points away from winning it...but I still don't call it success..I'm just making a point that its been a very long time since you have even been close to winning anything..and no matter how far we fall..if we get back into the top four I'm pretty sure our p,ayers won't be celebrating on the pitch.,,van Persia must have saw the scenes and thought wow
Yet you have still not won anything or been close to the title since...yh makes sense your right they were able replacements :/
Haha your comparing the team of today to the Invincibles ? the average age of that team was 29/30 years old they all peaked together thats a team that comes along once in a generation ,no team in england can be compared to it since, and there is proabably only 2 teams in the world that have compared to it in quality since.
and actually that is Arteta's original position he became an attacking midfielder later in his career,
the newest two trends in football is the resurgence of the deep lying playmaker and the ball playing centerback
what do you mean never replaced viera fabregas was his replacement Gilberto was one of the best midfielders in the world at the time and provided better balance
What are you on about you got closer to winning the league than us, your the one who keeps saying a champions league place isnt success why are you using it as an example of success Liverpool have never been further away from the premier league title than the last 4 years how is 7,6,8,7 closer than 3,4,3,4. yeah you won the champions league you were getting destroyed 3-0 in the first half totally out of your depth and AC got ***y and yee came back but also that year you managed to set the record for the first team to win it and not qualify for next season
And Downing was never be a key player and as I said earlier his fee was ridiculous. He was never going to live up to that
Fabregas was class but you have never replaced Veira. Camorra is a gem and an upgrade in Nasri you are right...but even Arteta playing as a holding midfielder..while he is a good player it's not his position.
You can't say you haven't fallen..compare the invincible team to today's team and tell me how many players are upgrades...not a single one
I didn't for one second say you aren't ahead of us at the moment...but you brought up success and even the staunchest Arsenal fans will say that despite building a new stadium the past decade has been a right off.
I won't even answer the Anfield question. I live in London..just because I don't go to Anfield every home game doesn't somehow devalue my opinions as a fan. That's a ridiculous statement...whether watching live or on the telly I haven't missed a game in near on 18 years. If clubs only relied on their local fan base there would be the money to build stadiums like the Emirates...get with the times it's 2013
So 4th is not success but your more successful than us?thats all you have to show for the last 8 years
Redburns, I would never call you a glory hunter as you dont even go to games, your just a cut and paste king, who quotes pony blogs as a point of reference! Frankly I find it funny that you are still arguing no valid points whatsoever, and you still didnt answer my question how many times have you actually been to anfield and watched liverpool...I reckon I have been there more times than you watching the Arsenal. You keep going on about defining success, we may not have won the league since 2004 as you so rightly put it, but when was the last time Liverpool won the league....I will give you 10 minutes to do your calculations, as its been that long! We have reached the champions league year in year out, wheteher it be by the skin of our teeth or comfortably, but we are still in it and progressing when everyone writes us off! what exactly are Liverfool doing to progress? You are at least two years behind the likes of your closit fancy club spurs, and at least three years behind us...everton are not even your direct competitors anymore as they have surpassed you too, so please do not talk about success when you know sweet *** all, and you keep quoting HISTORY #BORING! Let go of the past pal, like I said it could be your year...again this year! Ha, Ha, Ha
ah red your getting bitchy now come now calm down. less than there value ? he sold them for more than the future form warrents every time how is that bad
are you saying fabregas was not of an ilk with viera different players maybe but both world class
carzola for nasri id take anyday the mans a genius
arteta over song no problem again
and you are dodging the question much like you accused choco earlier over who have you replaced the quality that you sold to buy buy those great players
heard you lost your star player to West Ham today ;) that was a nice discount you gave them
I didn't ask if the players who left you have been successful! What happens to them after they leave means nothing. Fact is you lost key players for less than their value because you tried to penny pinch and not offer contracts and left yourselves open o having your pants pulled down on your star players every year.
Wenger has replaced the irreplaceable you said?yh with poorer quality players every year which is why you are getting closer and closer to dropping out the top four every year that passes..I fail to see how you can't see that.
You are left with a squad that are decent players but are devoid of winners and until you significantly strengthen you will be looking over your shoulder rather than in front of you...good luck for the season
i didnt say he wasnt a first team player i said that his career as a first team player died when he left arsenal
henry left at the age of 29 after only making maybe what 20 league appearences that year after injury and 18 mill and was replaced by adebayor ...30 goals that season eh ? got half that the next and still got 25m for him?
wenger wasnt forced on viera like i said he flirted with other clubs but he had to let either silva or viera go to play fabregas
each time wenger has replaced the irreplaceable and when the replacements thought they were irreplaceable ...well the hleb's, nasri's and song's of this world are sitting on benches while the cazorla's and arteta's have replaced them
who were alonso and mascherano, torres replaced with again ?
as for stability we've had to sell to buy since our move mate have fun looking up the table at us because we only just got stable ;)
Flamini was a bonafide first teamer at the time I remember the outrage when he left on a free. Check his appearance stats, in his last season he played nearly all your games so your wrong about that
Henry was worth 40 mill plus at the time..didn't he leave for like 16? Fabregas was worth way more than you sold him for regardless if he wanted to leave, he was your captain. Ditto Veiera, you haven't been the same without him. Kolo you got good money for ill concede but the rest went for way less than they were worth and left because your absolute lack of ambition. Downing was an appalling signing and I have admitted that previously. Jury is still out on Henderson he's young but I can see the potential...calling him *** is short sighted. Adam was pony but we made a 2 million loss...as I said we've been through turmoil with the owners and changes in management but what have you done with your stability?
I respect your opinion though you seem to at least construct an intelligent argument unlike some others on here who are so blinkered its unreal
Resorting to personal insults because you don't have the intelligence to put across a decent argument?.....classy ! :/
And I'm not a scouser I'm a Londoner and I started supporting Liverpool because my dad lived there when he came over...and before the inevitable 'glory hunter' comments I started supporting at at time when we hadn't won *** all in years.
You say we haven't had success RECENTLY and that's why I asked how you define it. If its winning the league you haven't won that since 2004 right? If its trophies you haven't won any of those since 2005 and you have no success in Europe in your entire history!
I realise you have come above us for the past few years but 1st is 1st and 2nd is nowhere..your not seriously suggesting that fourth place is success..and that's not me saying 6th is either..but you sound dumb calling success qualifying for a competition you have no hope of winning whilst treading water and selling your best players every year success! As I said you may call us deluded but we know where we are and it takes time to rebuild but your closer to being overtaken by us or Spurs than challenging for the title. If you think that's wrong then it's you who is deluded my friend..
henry got 1 fantastic season at barca and began fell down the pecking order.
got the best years out of both.
flamini's career as a first team player i think can fairly be said to have died when he left arsenal pity he had so much potential.
fabregas everyone knew he want to go back to barca understandable its his home, wenger made him a promise and kept it and got a decent fee and we have a clause to buy him back cheaper than we sold him if he ever wants to come back
van p got 25m for a player who stayed fit for a season and a half in the last year of his contract, and could implode at any minute.
then we can go on kolo 25m to city worth maybe 15m at the time at most
Nasri city again last year of his contract would have been happy with that if he had 4 years left on it.
Song 18m considering his development of his bad attitude and has bombed since
and yes they have left but they all get replaced ramsey, wilshere, koscielny, mertesacker, giroud, cazorla, podolski
if you compare that to what liverpool has sold and replaced mascherano, alonso, kuyt for downing, henderson & allen
just because you spend 20m on a player dosnt make them any better than a 200k one
Watching on your laptop or sofa doesnt count, and can I guess when you started supporting...
Who are these teams you have fleeced just out of interest when selling players?
And when you refer to the times we have been fleeced I'm surprised you don't mention Downing...he was 27 and never worth anywhere near 20. Adam was bought for 7 and we sold him for 5...he was terrible but not the worst business I've ever seen. Carroll looked the real deal at the time even Spurs bid 30 for him and it was rejected and everyone thought he would turn out to be the next big England striker... Again hindsight is a wonderful thing.. You are wrong about Henderson though he will be worth the fee ( we got him for 1/ rising to 16 not 16-20 as the media reported) and has a lot of talent and potential. He's only young and we all know how English players go for a premium
In terms of bad bush Ess sense in referring to allowing your key players to run down their contracts trying to save money instead of offering them new deals, then leaving yourself in a position where you get dictated to when these players become disillusioned with your lack of ambition (flamini, Henry, rvp, fabregas, veiira) to name but a few of players who have either left on a free in terms of flamini or at seriously reduced fees and nearly all the players I mentioned were your captains! Is that good business?
I'm not saying Liverpool haven't paid over the odds for players at times and the majority you mentioned were bought when FSG took over. They got the club at a knockdown price and had cash spare and after selling Torres etc... Obviously they were bad moves in hindsight but I'd prefer that to taking the fans money and not spending ala arsenal!
FSG were inexperienced in football and allowed Kenny free rein which obviously was a mistake but I'd prefer seeing us trying to spend money than hoarding it and mugging off the fans tbh
And for the record points 2 and 3 are the same and adding a point 3 1/2 may have sounded clever in your head but it makes you look like an imbecile.
I know good business sense might be alien to Arsenal after the way you've had your pants pulled down in deals over the last few years but everyone knows this 'he's going nowhere' stance is just posturing to get the most we can. Nobody at Liverpool is under any illusions that he's staying. Once you say he's gone in public that weakens your position considerably. How Arsenal fans fail to grasp this is amusing. He will do but on terms that suit us which is only right
What if that present company held you by the balls with a contract that stated you can't leave unless they say so? What then? Would they let you go to a rival if you were the best at your job and they had the option of making you go elsewhere?
Don't compare football to real life, it's ridiculous and makes you look quite silly...and learn how to spell if you want to put across an intelligent argument :)
Wount???, is that Arse-hole slang for WON'T????????. If he is to be sold, it will certainly NOT to you Arse-holes!!!
Your squad is closer to ours than the teams you just mentioned in terms of quality. And as I Said as things stand Tottenham's squad is stronger than yours at present...so while you have more chance than us of making top 4 I'd say Tottenham have a better chance than you at the moment of making top 4
So no you are guaranteed nothing
You can talk about lack of funds because of the stadium move but you have had a stable manager and board yet still have won nothing or been close to the title for a very long time (Liverpool have even been closer more recently). And no matter how you look at it that is failure.
I could say the same to you. I don't think we are as bad as people make out.. Arsenal are a good team I agree, and I think Giroud is a good player but the problem still seems to be the depth of your squad. First team can compete with anyone on the day, much like us. Any injuries and your in a bit of a pickle though. I think the problem is that Arsenal fans in one breath berate Wenger and the board for lacking ambition, then scoff at Liverpool like we are so far away from you. I'm far from deluded and I know where we are at and that rebuilding takes time after so much turmoil. It burns Arsenal fans to admit that fourth place will be a struggle unless a few quality players are brought in. That's the reality
I think you will be suprised just how good arsenal will be this year though, especially by Giroud Liverpool fans always laugh when i say it some Arsenal fans too, but im not worried if we dont sign a striker this year
looking at deluded liverpool's current squad, as our direct competitors for top four, like u said, i can say, yes we are quaranteed top four finish. Yes we have cleared our dead woods (squad players) which is a move in right direction for us. But rememeber that we still have the squad that accumulated, the highest point in the 2nd half of last season's epl. With the injection of young bloods like Zezalem, akpon, Gnabry and the cash we have on hand to spend, the fact remains tha we are competing with chelsea, Man u and City not pool.
I agree this is why I had a lot of respect for Arsenal before this. Liverpool and Arsenal are the only 2 clubs that have challenged the dominance of the plastiics and the Scum over the last decade
worst thing that ever happened to Liverpool was benitez he piggy backed off houllier's team which if it was kept together would have broken liverpools premier league duck.
when you think about Arsenal are only second to the super-spenders so i dont think much more could be expected, in fact it makes the champions league spot all the more impressive
but in all seriousness if liverpool managed to sell suarez a month ago i think they could have been serious contenders for the champions league spot becuse of the fact they dont have any of the extra european games and rodgers has spent any money he's got well. In fairness Dagleish was a disaster with the money he got
Oh dear she seems to have scuttled off...truth hurts buddy
To be fair you have been weaker every season though..top 4 used to be a given for Arsenal but the last few years its been closer and closer..Arsenal are slowly slipping..
And you didn't answer my question on how you define success? Not as clever as you think you are
I'm not a Tottenham fan. I'm a realist though and as things stand they have a better squad than you. No ones saying 6th is good but we only want fourth so we are in a position to push on...arsenal seem content to tread water at 4th and show no ambition
And we have won the champions league. Your chances of doing that are remote. Your involvement in it is akin to visiting a brothel and having a w@nk in the corner as someone so aptly commented on another thread.
Your not as good as you think you are. We have been through management and ownership turmoil over the last few years and are rebuilding..what have you done with your stability? You talk about living in the past when we have won a champions league, fa cup and league cup and got to another champions league final to boot since you last won anything..,plus we've been closer to the league title more recently than Arsenal
True but you must admit wenger has an annoying habit of doing it, well every other season everyone would say we've weakened the reality of it is the team is in general quite young so by their natural progression they should improve, spurs have improved but they are spending the bale money they've spent £48m so far they cant afford it without selling bale
Or we could stick to your guns and not sell to a club we are competing for 4th place with..that would be smarter don't you think? I like the 'Liverpool should just sell him ' comments like there is no other option...Arsenal would be the worst club to sell to at this point
While we are on the subject please stop going on like you are guaranteed top 4., you made it by the skin of your teeth the last few years and your rivals have strengthened while you have lost squad players and not strengthened at all..
How do you define success?please enlighten me...we have won a few things since 2005
@choco p ....keep on hoping m8ty, cause it will only happen in your deluded comatose state!!!
I think it was a little bit..usually if someone has a release clause of 40 mill for example..the buying club bids 40 mill. I've never even heard of a pound being added. I think it was a two finger salute and quite tacky and it infuriated our board..,hence why now we are loathe to sell to you unless its an inflated fee...
P.s. Did you here ESPN Football Classics stopped broadcasting this weekend, I feel sorry for all LFC fans :)
I could name at least 5 players that would get into your first team..which is near enough half..we ain't as average as you think ;)
Personally i think Arsenal thought Suarez had a release in his contract for a bid over £40m and that the +1 was just to activate it
Fair point! I'm just on attack mode with Arsenal fans at the moment lol I'm living in London and have had it up to my neck with Arsenal fans gloating at the minute as you can imagine lol I actually had a lot of respect for Arsenal as a club before this saga... Not saying you have no right to bid for our players it was just underhand and tacky in my opinion and back fired a little.,,I think we would have sold to Arsenal at 50-55 had that £1 not been added
I just stated that you would be better off selling him sturridge has been fantastic get him cover and proper support and you'll do far better without the controversy or would you disagree?
Comment wasn't directed at the article as such..more towards the majority of Arsenal fans I know will comment at some point...the Cavani quotes do keep coming up though like it matters what he says :/
1. He wount apologise
2. He wount stay @pool for sure
3. He will be sold
3 & a 1/2. POOL will look very stupid after he is sold
as i said in the article above I don't want him. He way overpriced agitates for moves at a whim and far to much of a colourful past
I just stated that you would be better off selling him sturridge has been fantastic get him cover and proper support and you'll do far better without the controversy or would you disagree?
Ahhh Edison 'ill go anywhere for the money' Cavani has weighed in as he? I guess we better just sell to Arsenal now then :/ what the hell has his opinion got to do with anything?
I notice how Arsenal fans were all over the place rubbing it in when they thought 40+1 was enough..gone abit quiet now though...And I think Arsenal fans are the ones who are desperate. Weren't they calling him a racist cannibal a few months back? Pay the fee or move on...I keep hearing how rich Asenal are these days. Shouldn't be a need for such desperation. Or maybe it's because he is the only 'name' left on the market who would even consider Arsenal?
I think i saw an article somewhere yesterday on liverpool having a history with ambiguos clauses's I may try get the link for here
I also respect the stance because the £1 added was a cheap shot and you know it. I don't want him going to Arsenal out of principle. The "desperate" comments are laughable. Why sell him to a rival at a knock down fee just because he wants to leave? He has three years on his contract!
If he is sold to Arsenal it should be at a premium and if nobody else comes in for him. I'd rather see him rot in the reserves until January or sell him to even a club like Chelsea (who I despise) rather than Arsenal after the way they have conducted themselves.
Rodgers is doing his best to paint suarez as a *** (not hard) and keep the fan base onside when the inevitable happens.
There are three facts revolving around this saga.
1. With or without suarez, liverpool are still *** and their best hope is to get back into europa league football.
2. If liverpool were still a big club, Rodgers wouldn’t be their manager
3. If liverpool sell suarez, to anyone then henry and Rodgers look like bigger chumps and it’ll cost Rodgers his job.
Btw, aren’t fsg currently trying to sell the club? Gives henry a nice little out WHEN the fans turn on him.
I’m going to love it when I see suarez holding the no.11 shirt and the joy I will get from hearing the scousers excuses. Immense!!!